Snyder Vetoes Bill That Would Have Allowed Guns in Trenton, Grosse Ile Schools

The bill would have allowed concealed weapons in gun-free zones such as schools and sports arenas.

Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder has vetoed a bill that would have allowed concealed weapons into public schools and sports arena, according to a report on Michigan Public Radio.

The Michigan Legislature passed Senate Bill 59 late last week that would have allowed concealed weapons in gun-free zones, but in the wake of the school shooting in Newtown, CT, many had called for Snyder to veto the legislation.

David Hecker, Michigan President of American Federation of Teachers (AFT) said in a Friday statement, "We’re aghast that this lame duck legislature thinks it’s a good idea to put MORE guns in our schools, let alone places of worship or sports arenas...The House passed SB 59 on Thursday. How dare these lame duck legislators put the safety of students, educators and communities at risk. As our thoughts and prayers are with the families of the victims of today’s tragedy in Connecticut, we call on Governor Snyder to veto this ill-considered bill."

On Monday, Snyder said he would re-evaluate the bill, and on Tuesday, he vetoed it.

In 2008, Trenton Public Schools used bond money to update security at district buildings including adding video survailance and one primery point of entery in and out of all buildings.

"It would have been a difficult thing for schools to deal with had the law gone into effect," Trenton Superintendent Rod Wakeham said.

Mark Hoffman, president of the Trenton Education Association, said concealed weapons in the classroom would have affected the overall learning environment at Trenton Public Schools.

Hoffman is a political science teacher at Trenton High School. He has been discussing the issue with his class since Monday.

"My own students would be deathly afraid of any staff member ... I can't think of anything worse, in terms of a learning environment, than the threat of those guns going off."

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Frustrated Old Man December 18, 2012 at 11:16 PM
How many of you realize the true consequences of this? In layman's terms it means law abiding, well intentioned teachers, staff, and parents will be totally helpless to come to the aid of your children, in the event of crazed mass killer, on a mission, in your child's school. And that crazy mass killer will simply laugh at the law, and have his way with whom ever he wants! I feel sorry for all the vulnerable sheeple, I really do.
Robert Barbantini December 19, 2012 at 02:17 AM
Corrected: As we increase the amount of weapons (of any type) available we increase the ability of the "crazed" as well as the untrained (including small children) to obtain and possibly use those weapons. I hope you and others are able to see the converse of this. "Cowboy" days are over...we need to move toward civility and we don't do that by increasing weapons.
cscharlt December 19, 2012 at 03:54 AM
Rob, I think your comments are valid in a broad sense but don't see the connection to this article. No part of the bill enables "more" or "different types" of weapons nor does the ease of access to them by children. My latter statement is made under the assumption that those making use of the bill to arm and defend themselves won't be exposing children to guns in any way shape or form in school environments. I implore you to show any statistics that shows those with a cpl or enhanced cpl permit allowed their weapons to be used in crimes. In fact, they are often the most responsible weapon owners. Again, agree with you in principal but do you have any better ideas?
Gabe December 19, 2012 at 03:57 AM
Taken from online Florida News Edition----Earlier this month, I laid out $60 at a gun store in Orlando to take the firearms course required for a license to carry a concealed weapon.Rieg’s Gun Shop and Range is located in a squat cinderblock building.Inside, a glass display case that held used semi-automatic pistols, rifles and shotguns hung on a wall.The store manager helped me through the paperwork, and then notarized the application himself. He had the casual demeanor of a surfer, with blond hair and a backwards baseball cap.“Occupation?” he asked.“Journalist,” I said. I told him I wanted to see how easy it was to get a concealed-carry permit in Florida.“Pretty freaking easy,” he said in a slow drawl as he filled in the form.More than 900,000 people are currently licensed to carry concealed firearms in Florida—including, until recently, George Zimmerman, who in February shot and killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed African-American teenager he felt was behaving suspiciously. Zimmerman, a volunteer neighborhood watchman, has claimed that the shooting was in self-defense, and invoked the state’s now-infamous Stand Your Ground law. Because of that law he was not immediately arrested, leading to a national furor centered largely on issues of race. But now that Zimmerman has been charged with second-degree murder, much of the legal focus will likely shift toward self-defense laws such as Stand Your Ground. Specifically, when is the use of deadly force justified?
Gabe December 19, 2012 at 04:06 AM
I was asked earlier to name one case of an owner of a ccw permit who committed a crime and a recent case in Florida sticks out so I posted the above article........Nate, I am going to call you in the a.m. as I am going to see how easy it is to get one here in Michigan! I have no criminal record and I would love to see how "hard" it is or how "well trained" Michigan's ccw carriers are.
Frustrated Old Man December 19, 2012 at 04:59 AM
Concealed Pistol License Requirements for the State of Michigan http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-123-1591_3503_4654-10926--,00.html As you can see, it's no walk in the park. There are State and Federal requirements. CPL holders have to be squeaky clean, and we have to stay that way, or we lose our license. The laws, and requirements are more than adequate.
Frustrated Old Man December 19, 2012 at 05:19 AM
Gabe, it's obvious you don't know any of the facts in the George Zimmerman case. He was badly beat up and bleeding from his wounds he received while Martin had him pined to the ground. Martin is not the little boy portrayed by the media in the hooded sweatshirt. Why are you comparing Florida's laws with our laws here in Michigan? Florida has their "Stand Your Ground Law". Michigan has the Castle Doctrine. Below is a link that will help you under stand the difference. How Does Michigan's "Stand Your Ground" Statute Compare to Florida's? http://sbmblog.typepad.com/sbm-blog/2012/03/how-does-michigans-stand-your-ground-statute-compare-to-floridas.html I'm also deeply disturbed that not only do you want to deny American's their 2'nd Amendment Rights, you also want to deny Zimmerman from having a fair trial before being found guilty. This makes me question your creditability, and agenda completely.
Robert Barbantini December 19, 2012 at 03:35 PM
My comments were directed at "Frustrated Old Man's" comment, cscharlt, not at the article as a whole. And I was simply pointing out possibilities. Statistics can show whatever they want the collector to show, but suppositions, based on facts, can be used to influence those statistics. Sure, I have many ideas about solving these problems, but what good are any ideas if no one is listening? My experience (because of my "radical" solutions to many educational problems) with school systems has influenced the last statement and I'll leave it that. I am beyond "Frustrated"...just "Old Man."
michelle December 19, 2012 at 04:52 PM
The thing is, I'm sure you all want the same thing. You want to feel protected. Each person is entitled to "how" they feel protected. I also used to oppose weapons and would have been apalled at the idea of someone having them in the schools. In light of recent events I have to wonder, if the principal or teacher were armed, could they have stopped the killer before he hurt so many? The obvious answer is yes. If the principal (who went after the shooter while umarmed and was immediately killed) was armed she could have stopped him. She would have had a chance to save many lives. That is undeniable in my eyes. I'm not saying everyone needs to be armed in a school (or should be). If someone is comfortable having and using it and can conceal it then it may not be the worst idea. Maybe have a safe place to keep it where the kids will never know. Maybe locked up. Yes, it would take a minute to unlock it but its still better than nothing. I'm not an expert. I am not in the NRA and think they can take things too far. I'm not against guns either. I've used some before even though I do not personally own any. My son is educated about them which takes away a lot of the curiosity and fear. He wouldn't be worried about his teacher having one. Then again he already feels safe in school and knows this isn't very common. I know my comments may not help. My point is, I was viewing things one way and I can see both sides now.
cscharlt December 19, 2012 at 08:03 PM
Michelle - I'm glad to hear you are reasonably re-evaluating your views in light of recent events. I think you made a crucial leap in your judgement that despite your previous feelings and fears you came to the realization that - for now - there seems to be no real safer alternative. It probably helps that you sound mildly familiar with guns thus your better understanding of the situation.
c-ya@theballgame December 20, 2012 at 05:01 AM
What happened to Dean M's blog, giving up your guns? It says it is unavailable now? I agree with you Michelle, we all want to the same thing. To feel safe. The only way it may have changed this dreadful circumstance is if the teacher had a ccw and was not in a private meeting, having forsight into a deadly intrusion.
c-ya@theballgame December 20, 2012 at 05:09 AM
continued: AND was ready to kill or be killed. I don’t know what went through her mind, but I don’t think she anticipated what happened. What if a parent that has legal clearance enters the school and SNAPS? What if a child is hugging on the principal that carries a ccw? When my child’s principal announced his leaving after 25+ years the kids were clinging to his legs and crying….begging him not to leave (Mr. G.) There is just no fool proof way to get around it.. There is a movie titled Falling Down, starring Michael Douglas. If you ever have a chance to watch it…. do so, it is an older movie. He starts to snap but he might have been okay as he is still thinking rationally, yet every where he turns makes it harder to get to back. It really makes you think, this guy is trying but society won’t let him. I don’t know what happened to Adam, but I do know something made him snap and I do believe it would have been very hard to stop him. So senseless, and so very, very sad.
c-ya@theballgame December 20, 2012 at 05:11 AM
My dad and I had been shopping that day and not aware of what was going on, 5 minutes later after we got home, he called me crying asking if I had the tv on….then he said some sick Mfer killed 20 or more kids at a school. My heart dropped so fast I felt sick and I finally got it out and asked if it was (my daughter’s school) and he told me no it was in Connecticut. For that brief few seconds, I felt unimaginable fear, so much that I couldn‘t even find my voice….my dad rarely cries….my dad it crying….it‘s my kid….my kid‘s school or else he wouldn‘t be crying….It wasn‘t my kid‘s school but I still wept, we cried, and I wept today watching the Today show and seeing their sweet faces. Our society it so complicated and screwed I see both sides of gun ownership. Assault weapons are different, they should be banned, but doesn’t every gun have the ability to assault? It’s so screwed. We want to be safe…to fight back…but would we and could we, have time to, if we are responsible and have our guns locked up? It’s just so screwed.
c-ya@theballgame December 20, 2012 at 05:14 AM
okay, I talk to much, my whole response is broken up....starting with the first response which is 3 blelow here....... I am a tolksy.......whatever that means.
Ron December 20, 2012 at 04:19 PM
I was so glad to see that the governor used some common sense here and also took into account public opinion to veto this bill. Something Snyder totally refused to do with regard to vengeful right to work legislation.


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