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Hey Trenton! Would You Pay for Curbside Recycling?

Trenton officials tried implementing curbside recycling in 2004, but it failed miserably, according to City Administrator Jim Wagner.

Several Downriver communities offer recycling services from curbside pick up, either free or for a small fee, or free recycling drop off at a designated recycling center.

Trenton does not offer curbside recycling. Instead, residents can take recyclables to the at no cost.

Cities like Southgate and Woodhaven offer free curbside recycling. Riverview, much like Trenton, allows residents to drop off recyclables at a designated recycling center at no cost to the resident. Wyandotte offers curbside recycling through Waste Management for a fee of $7.55 per month.

Trenton officials attempted to implement curbside recycling in October 2004 for for a fee of $32.96 per year, but the required 300 residents needed to continue the service was not met and the service was discontinued in January 2005.

The program was offered to Trenton residents through a third party called Republic Services.

City Administrator Jim Wagner said the attempt failed miserably and no subsequent discussion has been made regarding curbside recycling in Trenton.

Some Trenton residents have voiced interest in curbside recycling on the Trenton Patch Facebook page. Four residents said they would be willing to sign a petition to get the service in Trenton -- if a petition existed.

Trenton resident Jen McConnell said she remembers when Trenton offered the service and would love to be able to use her old recycle bin for curbside service.

Wagner said the service would likely cost residents a reasonable fee if it were reinstated.

Trenton officials have not discussed curbside recycling. There are no plans of beginning the service.

Trenton Patch wants to know if curbside recycling would work in Trenton, if administrators were to give it another chance, and if residents would be willing to pay for the service.

David Leone July 12, 2012 at 12:32 PM
I think brining back curbside recycling would be great at an appropriate fee. The key to the program's previous failure and future success (if brought back) is educating the general public. When the cost and benefits are presented in a concise, logical way, I'm sure most people would be supportive. Since the city has gotten a new recycling company and they increased the kinds of stuff that are acceptable as recyclable, my regular trash (that goes to the land fill) has been reduced to about 1/3 of its former volume. If the city implemented the same program as that in Portland, Oregon, it would be even less. I don't think it should be mandatory, but if you choose not to recycle, you should pay a premium to dispose of your garbage. If you choose not to recycle curbside, but instead want to haul it to the transfer station yourself, then you should be able to get a "credit" that would differ the cost of the premium you pay by not participating in the curbside recycling. When you go to the transfer station, they request your ID (this is how the city can keep track of your "credit".) At the end of the year, you would get a refund check with an amount reflective of the number of times you recycle, with a not to exceed amount of course. Wouldn't want people to "game" the system. People like convenience, so I think most people would opt for curbside (use large conatiners similar to the current containers and not the small orange bins like the past).
Margaret July 12, 2012 at 12:35 PM
Thank you, Sophie, I do have one. I have trained our purchasing power to buy fresh from Trentwood with reusable bags or use connections I have with local farmers to trade weeding time for produce. We reuse cardboard boxes, etc, from our Sam's Club run for toys for the bunny. Things like shampoo bottles and glass pickle jars I take to work since I'm on the Green Team for our recycling program and show by example how it works. I do love the option to take my tree branches and other organic waste to the dump, but I doubt that would be included in the curb side option since there is already a call-to-pick-up for a cost.
Margaret July 12, 2012 at 12:38 PM
Thank you, but I am aware. My work even recycles styrofoam, the most difficult. I'm on the team to work out a more efficient and cleaner way to reduce our usage and reuse cups. We have about 20 paper shredder bins per floor where personal papers and mail dropoff is encouraged. I'm not saying I don't recycle, I'm saying I take it to work, so I have no need for curbside.
Sophie Radakovich July 13, 2012 at 02:13 AM
We need our recreational facilities. I do want to say that I live near Lions park and the baseball teams that use the park leave big messes behind. The garbage cans are right there and bottles and papers from snacks are everywhere. Parents and children who use the parks should be more responsible. It costs money to pick up the trash, and it is an eyesore until its picked up.. By the way the parks and ice rink and Westfield Com. Center would be great places to set up recycling bins for paper, plastic etc, A good teaching tool! And a good way to get people thinking about recycling. Communities that have publilc recycling available are always seen as being good places to live and work.On the cutting edge, so to speak. It would be good publicity for our community. People want to live where they know other people take pride in their community.
sine-of-the-times July 13, 2012 at 02:34 AM
Funny you mention that Sophie...I was just at 2 ball fields tonight...the garbage cans were FULL of plastic and if I had the "gumption I would have emptied it all to be recycled, it embarrasses me to see all those bottles laying there...why don't people take home the empties just like they bring them I don't understand!!! We must do better to train ourselves not to be so disposable...I also picked up left bottles laying in the field and took a few home.
Kathye Quirk July 13, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Then they need to figure out a way to make it profitable (as promised when they built it) or let private enterprise run it.
Kathye Quirk July 13, 2012 at 12:55 PM
I agree with Sophie!
Lynn July 13, 2012 at 03:38 PM
It failed because it was optional...I use the current free system although it is extremely inconvenient and I do not like going to the dump/waste-water treatment! It stinks, I have to wait in a line and it is confusing if it is your first time. (Wyandotte's is so much nicer and convenient!) The environment is important to me and I will continue to recycle BUT we have to make it easier and more convenient so more people participate. I cannot believe all the plastic bottles found in the park after ball games. Why can't the teams designate weekly recyclers for these events...put all the plastic bottles in a plastic bag instead of trash.
Carrie A July 16, 2012 at 12:42 PM
Great idea - I wonder if there is any grant $$ around for recycling containers at baseball/soccer fields... Or get local businesses to sponsor them. Anybody need an Eagle Scout project??
Sophie Radakovich July 17, 2012 at 04:23 PM
Carrie, What a good thought! I love the idea of an Eagle Scout project. Putting recycle bins in the parks is a totally wonderful idea and hopefully one that some boys looking for a project would embrace. That would include fund raising, getting the containers and knowing what can be recycled. But once in place the recycled plastic needs to be picked up on a regular basis and that is where the city comes in or a private recycling co. A lot of logistics for an eagle scout to figure out! And a great help to the community.
michelle July 18, 2012 at 02:31 PM
Great ideas Sophie and others! Maybe with a few more recycling bins around the city more people would take advantage of them. The parks could have a plastics bin with the garbage bins and some of the community centers could have localized bins for more varieties for those who just can't get to the dump in the hours its open. :-)
Sophie Radakovich July 18, 2012 at 08:33 PM
Wow! so many good ideas for getting recycling going again in our fair city of Trenton. Kyle Stack and City Council, are you following these comments? Come on let's get something started here in Trenton! Oh, the recycling bins at the street fair were awesome. Makes me proud to say I'm from Trenton cuz Trenton cares! P.s. are those bins city property or loaned from a business?
S.Woody July 24, 2012 at 09:00 PM
i would do a lot more recycling if it was curbside. but on the bigger things i still would go to the dump and drop it off myself.
Judy Kane August 10, 2012 at 12:48 PM
Hopefully the mayor and council will consider curbside recycling. You CAN teach an old dog new tricks! There are many seniors who would recycle if it was more convenient.
Web Spin September 09, 2012 at 04:37 PM
Unprofitably reflects inefficiency. If recycling was not a waste, it would be profitable for a business to buy recyclables, and we would be in fact compensated for the recyclables we have. Instead the government can barely keep it afloat wasting our tax dollars. Just say no to nanny state ideas.
sine-of-the-times September 09, 2012 at 05:03 PM
We recycle because it is what's right, not because it's profitable; profits are not what I think of first. It takes time for ideas to take hold and for companies to be forced to use recyclables and other biodegrade-able packaging. What I think of is that we need to encourage people and companies to be friends to the environment and not be a wasteful society, because our kids will be left to clean up that mess, too. Once we change our habits, the profits will come. Other cities are not having issues with this. Let's educate and get Trenton residents on board, that's what the companies are waiting for.
Web Spin September 09, 2012 at 06:49 PM
What you call profits, I call proof of concept. In a normal healthy economy, ideas that are inefficient and produce negative wealth are eliminated or never funded to start with. In the economy of government mandate, bad concepts live on forever. Ideas like the Pontiac Silverdome, that would save Pontiac. 30 years latter and 500 million dollars lost (2012 dollars) a complete wright-off and Pontiac worse than when the geniuses started to 'fix-it". The People Mover, with 5% of the traffic "expert government" claimed it would. It costs us taxpayers $10 in subsidies for every rider that uses it, and that's completely discounting the 350 million in taxes that built it. The Reminiscence Center lost more than 100% of it's government subsidized construction cost in the first 15 years. The Detroit Zoo? $14 for an Adult ticket plus 38 dollars in tax subsidies for that entrant. Now we've added the DIA to the insanity. Last year just 400,000 people used the DIA, many of them kids bused in and forced to "take-in the culture". Now we just passed a new property tax of 23 million annually to fund the place. That equates to us paying a $57 ticket for each user. That's nuts and even you must realize that. Would you take a family of four to the DIA for $228 ($57 x 4)??? Most would answer no yet through the majic of taxation, that's exactly what we are doing. Let's stop wasting resources on 500 million dollar Ford fields, 500 million dollar Comerica Parks, 310 million dollar Zilwaukee Bridge's.
sine-of-the-times September 09, 2012 at 11:58 PM
Whoa, WebSpin, you must enjoy being enslaved by the Koch brothers' and corporations like them. I recall that the Koch brothers cheap plastic products replaced recyclable products in the Washington Capitol building's cafeteria...yes, this was the FIRST item of business for Republicans when they took over control. They keep feeding us this cheap product that will grow into landfills, and make lots more $$ for Waste Management, I bet. Can you not imagine a world that tries to make progress. If recycling is made easier and cheaper and is mandated, people will do it, and businesses will find a way to compete and make profits from it. The problem is that they/we don't have to, so it's easier to choose to be a wasteful society. The mind is a terrible thing to waste. Maybe Walmart can have an art gallery someday, too.
Web Spin September 10, 2012 at 01:17 AM
You must be writing about this; "...Dan Lungren, chair of the house administration committee, said the $475,000 per year program was too expensive and not even green. "After a thorough review of the house's composting operations, I have concluded that it is neither cost effective nor energy efficient to continue the program," he said in a statement on his website...." Thank god (small g) that Democrats expensive society hasn't been able to completely halt progress. If they had I wouldn't have my iPhone that stores as much as 7 million type written pages or 10,s of thousands of gallons of wasted gasoline and countless hours chasing down all the information that is at my fingertips. Think of the thousands of vinyl records times the 100's of millions of phones and that's over a trillion pounds of plastic material that would have been generated. To this you'll reply "the government invented the internet" but that's such an exaggeration it's a lie. World wide networking of personal home computers started with AOL, Prodigy, BBS's and CompuServe. Without private greedy corporations the internet would still just be a file transfer medium a small number of government agencies use.
sine-of-the-times September 10, 2012 at 02:18 AM
Aha! Lungren is a REPUBLICAN! Go ahead and vote for "re-gress"...look what was next folks! I think I'll vote for progress. "Next on the Republican agenda of environmental retro moves? Lightbulbs. House Republicans introduced a bill last week to repeal the government's decision to phase out the old energy-inefficient bulbs, which was due to start in 2012. Environmental organisations condemned the return to plastic. "They are willing to undo progress when they should be looking at getting their own house in order. " said Tony Iallonardo of the National Wildlife Federation."
Web Spin September 10, 2012 at 02:49 AM
Wendy, do you practice what you preach? Does you're car get better than 35 MPG and do you drive far fewer miles than the average "wasteful America"? Do you have a nice energy efficient house like the average Japanese of only 1000 sq, feet or less? Do you refuse to waste energy and pollute the air by only vacationing close to home? How many trips to the store do you make on foot per week? Do you refuse to use air conditioning in both your home and your car? Refuse to put fertilizer and herbicides on your lawn? Do you dry your clothes on a clothes line?
sine-of-the-times September 10, 2012 at 03:15 AM
I make the best decisions I can, I drive my family nuts, but we are better off, and I educate them so that they try harder to live a better life-style. I went to the council meeting and requested that pesticides not be used at the Riverside property. I don't buy things that are over-packaged for convenience. I re-use, re-gift, re-sell, donate. I get 28mpg and I drive on a plan so as not to waste gas. I hate air-conditioning, and I have a programmable thermostat, with several zone valves so if I am not in that area, I don't need to use the heat. If it wasn't for spiders I'd hang my clothes outside, so instead they hang inside. I could fill my trash can once a month and it still wouldn't be full...I could go on...and I look for all the help I can get, which is WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR RECYCLING help!
Web Spin September 10, 2012 at 03:34 PM
Clearly michelle, you hail from the close-minded us-and-them political party of control, isolationism, hate and "our way or no way" ism. You're words; “ignore the ignorance” “just ignore Webspin” “trash everyone's ideas”. “Get over it and move on to another forum” "fit in” “one bad apple” “ whose mind (or lack there of)” speak for themselves. Why the hypocrisy of the left is so apparent to everyone but themselves is a mystery. I recycled way before recycling was even a concept with most of you (early 70's as a young teen). Bought my first solar cells at Radio shack 1973ish and explored a bio to gas conversion that (it turned out) a charlatan was pitching in the early 70's. Been there, done that. I'm much wiser now and know the engineering, economics, sociology and understand the issues that as a kid I just didn't comprehend. These things don't work and impeed society and WASTE resources. That you wish to end all dialog with those that disagree with your ridged ideology is why we will continue to get the same results we always have and can expect yet another politician to tell us how like the last eight presidents are going to give us energy independence. http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-june-16-2010/an-energy-independent-future Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein
michelle September 10, 2012 at 04:14 PM
Hey all! Sorry for getting my feathers ruffled. I just can't stand when people try to be constructive and share ideas and then someone comes and trashes them and insults people for caring about the planet we live on. I fell into that person's trap too. I'm going to delete my comments because they are not constructive to the topic on hand (recycling).
Web Spin September 10, 2012 at 04:17 PM
Are you for real or are you just out trolling. "Luckly I saved your words I now see you deleted" Just in case your legit, have a look AGAIN at your own words and see if you can't spot the negative and destructive attitude; "You must be a very miserable and unhappy person in life" "I have not seen one positive comment from you anywhere". "I'm just tired of people whining" "you come barging in with trying to tear her (and everyone else in here down)" "I'm sorry you are so miserable and jaded in life" "You don't need to drag everyone down with you" "you seem a very sad unhappy person" Do you get it? as for your comment " If we want to recycle, if we want to pay for it...that is our prerogative". Ah, but you demand I help finance the folly of what I now know is a net negative for the environment and society. Society needs a few more wet blankets. I wish we had a few more in each of the following; The Nazi party. The Imperialist Japanese. Congress, pre Iraqi invasion al qaeda 2 hours before 9/11 the U.A.W. before completly wiping out GM and Chrysler (and yes, those companies don't exist anymore, a difficult concept to comprehend for some unworldly to the ideas of a liquidation bankruptcy) The secessionist south.
michelle September 10, 2012 at 04:36 PM
I do not feel that politics really belongs on this topic. Nor does anything about you personally (why I deleted my comments about you being miserable and jaded). I wasn't trying to hide them from anyone, just thought they were not constructive to the topic of recycling. I will send you a personal note if you wish to continue the converation. This page should be saved for the topic on hand.
Dusty One September 10, 2012 at 06:40 PM
Gotta agree with Michelle on this one. What did the post above hers have to do with the topic on hand here? And "REALLY"?, Web Spin..... what the heck is the end of your post supposed to be about????? Never mind... I don't think any of us care to know.... and again, it would totally be off topic. Please do me a favor and DON'T respond, unless it has anything to do about Trenton recycling, that is.
sine-of-the-times September 10, 2012 at 07:47 PM
I wonder if this is what we get from Trenton Patch opening up to Grosse Ile??...haven't seen Webspin on here before as a "poster"
sine-of-the-times September 10, 2012 at 07:48 PM
:) feeling the love Michelle!
michelle September 10, 2012 at 08:52 PM
Eh, I wouldn't say it is because of adding GI. They are cool peeps. Where else can you find an island with a winery and alpaca farm? LOL

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